We specialize in the Ancient type of Central Asian Shepherd dog .
          Family dogs that work with other dogs, cats, livestock and big families.  
Runs in the family FF Kim Possible & MOM FF JLo Looks Outs                 
           
                       Our Mission Statement: To Preserve vs change or improve:
      We breed for the original purpose of the breed family pack oriented working dogs.
                                 We practice STRICT Natural Selection in our breeding .
              Which we  have based on old world working lines_ not show lines or fighting lines.
                                We have selected 4 Generations of correct guardian temperaments.
                                                 They are guardians first & foremost .






        

               






  We have refused to change to meet the insane requirements of the show world. 
       By adapting our methods of handling ,choosing  venues/judges that prefer working dogs.                                                                   
                    Our breeding decisions are based on performance not ribbons.

         Our Import foundation dog is Princess Ali NON related to any USA line.
       Princess Ali 2003                                           Akbel 1963 ( before the breed was changed)


















      
Ali is  5 generation pedigree working titled dog from aboriginal lines .
Before the breed was changed in the last  15 years.
  She is the base of our line with 3 outcross males. Certified Excellent FCI RKF Polinova
Her generations  have taken on Cougar, Bear, & Car jackers .  
  Yet in the modern world she would be discarded for not being a show dog.
 
          
                                                                        
                                                                        





Naturally protective or trained protective?            
   atural stable pack oriented guardian temps are being selected away from. Dog Aggression is being tested & wanted.
              Real CAS do not need training to protect they need socialization to understand not all strangers are "threats"
          Dogs being promoted as Protection dogs , being trained to protect are modern CAO not CAS.
Testing a dogs natural ability is NOT the same as training the dog on weekends to understand what a REAL threat is.
Or training the dog to be stable? No such thing-  Training does not replace good judgement..
                                        What happens to their own judgement when you are NOT there? 
                                                               Warning    Other web sites:?
                                                    So yes we broke the Mafia Code Of  Silence . Why stop now?
                                     Special note Web of Deception . All because you find a profile on the Net does NOT make it factual.
                    A  Molosser site run by a backyard breeder of Caucasian Ovcharkas is dedicated to aggression & dog fighting.
          They have labeled ALL CAO/CAS as "quite dog aggressive" this is a LIE -  You  find NO reference material.
  They claim with NO proof a 15 year study was done by Admin Wolf. Note Wolf is just another troll who was 10 yrs old during the study
                                            Wilkipedia Profile is run by Anna Frumina a convicted/suspended Puppy Miller
                                                       See where im going all because it is online does not make it true.
                                                         Rant breeding for the show ring first                                                      
                                      All this past CHANGE to other breeds have proven time & time again _to ruin working breeds.
                                Inbreeding to recreate a Champion has  created the most serious genetic diseases today's. 
                                        Yet these same dogs_ carriers or affected themselves are Top  STUNNING show dogs.                                      
                                                            Resulting in over breeding despite genetic disorders .
                                           Show breeders set up newbies who are TOTALLY ignorant with the same affected stock -                                   
           Thus creating a Pyramid scheme  in which the truth is hidden .   Massive coverups are a answer to a inherited genetic issue..
                                                       Yet we find excuses NOT to breed a dog not the other way around. 
                                 FoxFire does NOT breed for fancy spotted dogs, or for show friendly dispositions or massive size.
Dog shows are not evil,  breeders who care about only winning a dog show sacrifice the dogs natural ability in the process
                                         We show 3-4 X a year to show our dogs are stable in public and working dogs can beat show dogs.
               
              Being the best of the best has made us many a enemy but much more admirers.                                 
                 We started 10 years ago by  importing "WORKING Stock"  vs show dogs. Boy that pissed quite a few people.  We are OUTCASTS from certain clicks.
                                                        We used spay & neuter  to substitute natural selection & culling .
                   We adhered to the working standard & bred for the  'strong distrust of strangers , must be amendable to handling" .                                                 
                      A must is - allowing natural selection to weed out the weakest.   We do not use modern science to correct what nature selected against.
                             Dog cant work or needs surgery to breed or whelp we do NOT breed the dog.
                                       Our ultimate goal to alter as little as possible a group of dogs.
                            That were created through natural selection thousands of years ago .
                                    Thus preserving & maintaining vs. altering the dog of legends.                                                
                                                  
                              Simply if it aint broke why fix it or in the USA "improve"? 
                                               Mr & Mrs Vincenzo De Palma   
                      Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil ~ Unknown
                           


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FoxFire Farms
Wilson New York
716 751 6927

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" A very big general problem in human vanity & a number of other defects which force many to do it so, that end in itself becomes glory, money, general envy, & sufferings of competitors, instead of preservation of the true qualities of the breed"  Sergey Knyuzev, the professor of faculty of animal husbandry & genetics as it applies to the Central Asian Shepherd dog


FF Jlo UKC Grand Champion OFA Excellent
                          Notice how the OLD working dogs resemble the colors of the OLDEST known Sheep?
Karakuls are the oldest known natural breed of sheep from Central Asia. Dated to the same time of the CASDogs
                      They have BLACK face & range in colors from Gray- Brown, Red - Born Black  _ NO WHITE.
                           Now would a  white dog with  load spots = to a Dalmatian stick out just a tad ? ,
                       Much easier target for the poachers/thieves and predators to see_   YOU THINK!!!
          We breed natural colors , we do not SELECT working dogs based on color ,we leave that for the show folk.
Can you see the Wolf  saying  HEH doggie you are not a popular show style- so it will be ok if we eat the sheep ?
           Note dogs below are smooch monsters just when engaged after something you see the funny side.                   
                                                                                         
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Updated: 2/8/2010
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FoxFire is in this book FF Bam Bam
         World Champion Teddy 2007
             UKC/USA  Canadian
       Mexican-Latin Amercian-             International     CGC-TDI- PH
        Only US World Champion
            FoxFire Farms Dogs of Legend EST:1997



                               
                
                                          
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FoxFire Farms
P.O Box 206
Wilson NY 4172

716 751 6927

foxfirefarms@adelphia.net

Cleos mom Blaze
FF Pack dogs, cats

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FF Sheeba
UKC Grand Champion FF Saber Best in show
FF Palang
FoxFire Kim Possible FF Jlo X Cozemo Owner J Sider
SIZE Males are normally 130-150bs FF Gandy R, Few will hit 180lbs like FF Saber L.
You need massive bone every 3 generations to insure the breed stays Molosser .
Otherwise they may resemble the Anatolian shepherd with a hound appearance.
Note our big dogs take years to mature and as you can see are sound.













Our females look work like females as per the breed standard .
They are agile, fast and tough. Range 90lbs to 120lbs average 100lbs.
They are aboriginal in type & structure. We do not breed the bulldog Ovcharka type.
But we own one 13 year old Tasha. Tasha temperament is NOT of a working dog.

1950 CAS dog look s like kim huh
Working Dogs
     FF Saber 3rd BIS Adult Top dog in US
FF Khun tells bullies back off.
FF Goldie saves owner from Scorpion New Ch
FF Benny alerts to 1st Black Bear
FF Fezz saves owner from Bear -
FF Nem Stops Looters after Tornado
FF Badger No Robbery in crime spree
FF Soldier wins at Tough Dog
FF Palang runs off Cougar
FF Marcus stops Car jackers
FF Max Protects horses from Predator
FF Saber protects owners  from robbery.
FF Taro stops bear in logging camp
FF J-lo brother stops burglar

Congrats to FF Saber with the #1 UKC standing.
2 Years in the row and the top winning CAS in the USA.
FF has been #1 for over 10 years.


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last updated: 2/8/2010
FF Kim Possible & Avalon
Rainbow Bridge
Tasha Warrior Princess
1996-2010
Thanks to all Tasha comes home Wed in the special Urn we got for her.
I will feel better when she is back home
i love you and miss you.
1 Male Available March 10 wks, 1 Breed Pick Female 16 wls after show